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November 16, 2006

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Jake

F@#K YOU!

Just kidding. Interesting, though it does make me a bit timid to comment...

However, as C.S. Lewis says, that which can bring about a lot of bad can also bring about a lot of good. I've read some blogs that have changed the way I have thought about things. I think it's the whole in the world and not of it scenario. How do we do it? One blog at a time my friend, one blog at a time.

tom schmidt

Very insightful

ryan

Tim Keller quote on Blogging:


After several years of reading blogs I conclude that these sharp exchanges between people with different points of view almost always generate far, far more heat than light. Blogs seem to best for helping like-minded people to share information and to mildly revise one another's thinking. Alan Jacobs (in an article on weblogs in May/June 2006 Books and Culture) said that blogs are 'the friend of information, but the enemy of thought.' I absolutely love blogs for getting news and opinion of all kinds, but the 'dialogues' are generally unhelpful. I'm sure everyone can point to one or two exceptions. But most of these interactions toward the pro- and anti-emergent caucuses usually just polarize people.

Joe Schmoe

In the middle of your fourth paragraph, what is "Becasue blogging"? Is that a new type of blogging?

Josh

I think if the goal of a Christian's blog is to share spiritual insight, then let he or she build their readers up. One can have the heated debates over controversial stuff, not on a blog, but maybe while lunching or an organized discussion. As long as others are reading what I have to say about Jesus, then let it be good stuff that makes them say "amen"!

Nate Myers

Now that the rant's over...can we talk?

Any time someone pops thoughts up like that, it'll make anyone timid to have conversations and even challenge one another. I disagree with the general sentiment here; maybe because I'm still a relative newbie when it comes to the blogosphere (approaching a year).

If one applies the let's-avoid-passive-
aggressiveness-clothed-in-religious-language approach each time, steps back and takes account, maybe lets the emotions settle down a bit, then responds; we might have some solid conversations over issues.

Maybe I'm just not as cynical as your friend, but blogging has expanded my world and my thinking tremendously. It is a tremendous resource.

matt

Jake: you timid to comment? What?

Mr. Shmoe: to point out gramatical errors is either a funny joke, or a great example for Ryan's point.

Nate: well said about Ryan's tone. In fairness to Ryan, that was not a public article. I made it public (perhaps further justifying his point). However, I would encourage you to technorati "mark driscoll" (focus on posts from about a week or two ago) and see if you still hold to your point.

Thanks for the comments all, good stuff. I promise to write more soon.

Nate Myers

Oh, I've seen ye olde Driscoll's consistent rhetoric, Matt...and I still stand by my point.

Isn't it always true that a few bad apples can mess with the whole bunch (sure, I altered the metaphor a bit, but work with me) or at the very least, draw the attention off the good, ripe ones to their foul stench? There's always plenty of folks really wanting to learn...it's having to sift through the rigid, elitist, blathering, hard-of-hearing folks that can be frustrating as all get out sometimes (I'm sure I've fallen into that crowd before at times).

Maybe what I'm ultimately trying to say is that we all fall flat on our faces from time to time and makes total jerks out of ourselves...but should that reality drive us to throw out the baby with the bathwater? Or should it drive us to continue making steps in the arena of our mistakes...just like what is demanded of us in "real" life?

I can't run away from my personality deficiencies in my daily personal reactions, so why should I do it in the blogosphere? Maybe some targeted withdrawals for periods of time to regain perspective could be in order if one sees themselves falling. I dunno; that might be a more effective alternative?

ryan

Nate Once again I would just point you to the Keller quote that I put up above. It is not that I am anti-blogging it is just that I do not find it to be the most conducive forum for theological conversations. Two more things.

1. This is not meant to be mean or elitist, but many people commenting on blogs, are horrible at basic logic. Comments and responses are littered with fallacies and it bogs down the entire process of trying to have good arguments. D.A. Carson's book "Exegetical Fallacies" should be read by all before seriously entering the blog world.

2. By way of another analogy, and try not to deconstruct it to far. Blogging can be a lot like driving a car on the free way in Las Vegas, people will act, and respond in ways they never otherwise would. Seriously I have had people try and run me off the road in Las Vegas or run me into an oncoming traffic. Now I doubt if I was standing next to them and having a conversation they would have so little regard for my well being. Blogging can sometimes be like this, as we create modes of communication that are impersonal in some aspects and move away from face to face dialouge people will often do what they otherwise would not.

matt

Personally I feel like a moth to the flame with blog posting. It looks so exciting and intruiging and I cannot help but join in. Then I feel burned and terrible, swear I never do it again. Then Bob Hyatt posts on Complementarianism vs. Egalalitarianism, and I'm back.

Also, for those of you who have never driven in Vegas, Ryan's analogy was dead on. Sometimes when my wife is driving across town I get scared and turn into a Charasmatic prayer warrior.

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